tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post3964002934002777692..comments2023-09-25T22:26:25.692+10:00Comments on mnml ssgs: Reflections Part I: SPACEchrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17030219185948353658noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-8453738015948896022010-01-14T11:55:33.716+11:002010-01-14T11:55:33.716+11:00@ feroce and others regarding the good ol days...
...@ feroce and others regarding the good ol days...<br /><br />firstly - some personal context: I make every effort to avoid nostalgia, I regard nostalgia as something close to evil. And I have been around a long time, I started clubbing to disco in the 70s, experienced all of the 80s and all of the 90s. I wasn't that young in the 90s.<br /><br />I think the late 80s and the 90s was actually a special time in dance music culture. It was new, fresh, naieive, optimistic and solely a subcultural underground. <br /><br />Since the loss of innocence in 2001 and the increasing speeed of everything, I wonder if our culture even allows for those same feelings.<br /><br />We still essentially listen to that late 80s and 90s sound, the same structures and motifs. It's 20 years old now. In 1990 20 year old music was irrelevant.<br /><br />I see so many younger people trying to recreate the innocence, going to great lengths to recreate the sense of discovery, and then validating their discovery by letting everyone know how much fun it was on the internet (and in doing so maybe collapsing the actuality of it).<br /><br />Something much bigger is afoot here.noelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099372953505213265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-60042199997708354552010-01-10T07:08:28.332+11:002010-01-10T07:08:28.332+11:00re: sparse space
when steve lwe and i put on our ...re: sparse space<br /><br />when steve lwe and i put on our first monthly parties, more often than not we'd have been better served to broadcast from my studio than to book a club. we're a heady diaspora each with different views, as evidenced by the post. i don't know if that case study reinforces the possibilities of pc's point #3 or the negatives of almost every other point, or both. <br /><br />one of the more apparent benefits of that possibility, though, is the club mix. i've learned more about programming and 'vibes' of clubs from around the globe thanks to mediafire and megaupload. garito cafe in mallorca, spain is one of these places that i've put on my long-term travel plans, if only for the fact that i've been able to hear several great mixes from the space and have been able to check out their website (where the menu looks just as tantalizing as the dj lineup). point being there are a slew of minor berghains out there - obviously the physical space and metaphysical draw of berghain is relatively unmatched, but the global myth of other spaces can be just as vital thanks to the web.HISSNLISSNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16701537495684180412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-15121209033584975842010-01-10T06:32:29.145+11:002010-01-10T06:32:29.145+11:00i have been slowly introducing myself to this danc...i have been slowly introducing myself to this dance music 'scene' over the course of the past few years and have consistently been rewarded from my time spent in these 'spaces', created, for those who want to share in an experience. <br /><br />i have been lucky enough to live so close to NYC that the clubs have always given me glowing experiences. now, it could just be the fact that I have seen so little that it is all so fresh to me, but even with the potential influx of those not there 'for the music', there has been (from what i have observed) an overwhelming amount of people supporting it, keeping it alive, allowing it to 'flourish'. <br /><br />when these events start to become overly-controlled, there is something lost, whether it be spontaneity, or a sort of 'realness', there is definitely a loss of something that occurs when things become 'too' exclusive and/or controlled...<br /><br />not to say that it wouldn't be great to attend an event that reflects the discourse ('vibe') of those who post here...that would be spectacular in fact. but as far as 'openness' is concerned, when too many variables are controlled, there leaves little room for things to 'go wrong', but there also is less room for things to 'get real'..<br /><br />perfect nights are never really perfect, and the problems that plague some spaces are just part of the realness of the sitution, a sort of realness that needs to be represented in order for the music to have any truth to it. i don't wanna go to a club and be given some 'perfect club experience'. i'd take maybe a large crowd, a douchebag here or there, an overzealous bouncer, etc...i'd take that over something that feels 'set up' to me. it's the randomness of the music and the experience that i am attracted to, and when too many variables are controlled, the randomness is put aside, and for what? better this, better that? sure, i want space to dance. sure, i don't want a drug-fueled macho-fest, but the music will find its way out of those situations, the music will escape, delineate, and then be an escape for those of us like myself...and that's what i love about it.danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541373005331973873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-42339759941114680212010-01-10T00:59:50.496+11:002010-01-10T00:59:50.496+11:00@jonnyp, yep different sounds always welcome and B...@jonnyp, yep different sounds always welcome and Berlin's needs freshening up in my opinion. <br /><br />Whilst that city's financial circumstances are different, it does show us the conditions under which good art can be made. I am not sure it's fair to say that London could not learn from them, after all it was policy that helped improve Berlin's scene. Whether London wants to is different question.<br /><br />The creative talent will be there like you say, it's whether it is being helped or hindered.<br /><br />I guess the word "loyalty" may seem a little ambiguous, but it is the word I use for just your average city person. Sometimes born bred, sometimes not, but usually they are just existing in a place without much purpose beyond that. I'd imagine the type of person I am talking about has found themselves pushed further and further into the zones (like hackney and beyond).never really beganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919666571746723630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-19495120077393271382010-01-09T22:25:47.172+11:002010-01-09T22:25:47.172+11:00@ Oliver: yes the london scene has certainly chang...@ Oliver: yes the london scene has certainly changed for the worse over the last few years. no argument there. past gems became victims of high prices or were bulldozed to make way for major construction projects. many of the key spaces have disappeared without replacement. prices are still too high, regulation is overly prohibitive. public space is shrinking and the opportunity for culture to develop autonomously is in decline as a consequence. it’s all rather depressing really. but the stream of creative talent always looking to evolve the electronic sound is incessant, and that is something london can be proud of. <br /><br />We're lacking a couple more small clubs which play decent electronic music every weekend. i can see things getting better once this recession buggers off and finance becomes available again - people with a vision might start investing again.<br /><br />re: berlin being financially forgiving and therefore allowing cultural progress. Yes I agree there; similar circumstances apply to the movement of artists within london, previously centred around shoreditch, now moving towards hackney where rents are lower. <br /><br />but london and berlin are at completely different levels of economic development, and the current music scene in berlin is the result of a very unique set of circumstances which london is never going to have. There is little chance of prices going down, cheap space becoming available and subsidies being provided by the government to support the scene. so I think that looking to berlin for answers to the problem is a bit useless. London needs to work itself out.<br /><br />re: the scene beyond the clubs. many great nights i've had in london have been outside of the clubs in temporary spaces. ive been to berlin a few times and haven't seen much beyond the clubs either. I guess you need to live in a city a while before you starting digging a bit deeper.<br /><br />re: our lack of loyalty to london......hmmm. i actually don’t know what loyalty to a city constitutes? I enjoy living here (but have days when I hate it), work hard here, I pay my taxes, I make people feel welcome, encourage people to come. Is this loyalty? Could I see myself living elsewhere, yes. I don’t go around with an I <3 London t-shirt on but I do love the place.<br /><br />Going forward I hope that the scene becomes more polycentric again, with new cities taking some of the focus away from berlin. I think artists living in different places, enjoying different cultures, would result in a more varied sound.jonnyphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203131652411824960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-63074956486823437452010-01-09T14:20:59.142+11:002010-01-09T14:20:59.142+11:00Or you can DL Pasquinelli's intro, here:
http...Or you can DL Pasquinelli's intro, here:<br /><br />http://matteopasquinelli.com/docs/animal_spirits_introduction.pdfPChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828854682227101864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-80827519163967021672010-01-09T14:19:40.396+11:002010-01-09T14:19:40.396+11:00@ Steven: it's true, love is totally under-rat...@ Steven: it's true, love is totally under-rated (mostly 'cos people are so sentimental at heart, and get embarrassed talking 'to the heart of the matter'.<br /><br />I think that we have to acknowledge that a 'business model' is a good way of shaping... business! And orienting things toward turnover, profits, bums on seats, promo, crossover, profits, etc....<br /><br />...but it is not necessarily the most appropriate model for doing creative work intended to be presented by and for social beings...<br /><br />...money changes everything, as they say...<br /><br />...perhaps the model of no profit, and low risk, no profit, or even mild loss parties in one-off locations is a better way of doing things than a week-in, month-out, regular, habitual fixture that a whole assembly of people become dependent on in order to feed their dependents and their dependence.<br /><br />...nightclubs are businesses, after all. <br /><br />And most professional DJs have come to see themselves as laptop entrepreneurs.<br /><br />I think the era we've just lived through have forced us to think this way about ourselves (now that people who work with the disabled refer to the people they care for as 'clients') ...it's a pretty impoverished form of human subjectivity, where freedom is just the freedom to consume and the only rights that are really sacred are the rights to profit and private property.<br /><br />...on some level though it seems that lots of people have grasped this and are looking for new ways of co-operating, collaborating, associating with each other beyond the 'user/client' model... <br /><br />...but then again, there is a spectre haunting 'free' culture, too, as Matteo Pasquinelli has explored. Link here for the curious:<br /><br />http://matteopasquinelli.com/animal-spiritsPChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828854682227101864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-62699365525620884602010-01-09T05:10:40.886+11:002010-01-09T05:10:40.886+11:00this feature gave me butterflies as i read it. gr...this feature gave me butterflies as i read it. great takes from educated angles on this first reflection.<br />i can say first hand that i am so thankful to be living in denver right now, because there is an amazing force really cementing itself in the techno/house community at the moment. there have been people quite in the know here for ages, different crews, doing different underground and club events, but always supporting each other.<br />at the moment, there are at least 2-4 underground events held a month, that are at quality spaces (lofts, warehouses, mountain parties in the summer, etc), with sophisticated, in the know attendees and an amazing wealth of local talent. <br />the key to the success here, in my opinion, breaks down to simple terms...love.<br />we are doing good things out of the want and love to do them...not the need to. and i think its an important point in the shallow, jadedness that this culture can be at times. maybe because i'm getting older as well, but i cannot do crowded, way too loud, wasted kids, commercial music clubs anymore.<br />give me a room with 50 heads, good sound and good music...and thats the party your buzzing off of the week after.<br />on a recent wolf + lamb radio show, gadi talks of how the marcy hotel came about and how it is SO MUCH MORE EASIER than people think it is to get a loft space and throw small DIY parties.<br />but again it starts w/ the priorities in the first place.<br />most of these parties end up in loss financially, breaking even or remotely close to it is a win...but the real win is collaborating w/ like minded people and creating those magical techno moments on a semi regular basis. and doing it out of more positive motivations like community, sharing, integrity, passion for good music than making money, doing drugs, posing, or hating.<br />it is special when its good and i think more good can happen if people be more real about it...real special.<br /><br />looking fwd to the next installment, thanks a lot guys.steofanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13106305109608900957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-46338467370316397232010-01-08T23:26:08.457+11:002010-01-08T23:26:08.457+11:00@chris, I can only envisage the mnml ssgs club ni...@chris, I can only envisage the mnml ssgs club night as being a success of some sort, I just wish I could be there to support.<br /><br />@jonnyp, please be defensive, it is your city to defend. What I say is just my experience, and how I felt whilst I lived there. There are examples of the opposite, Brick Lane on a Sunday was always uplifting. On the whole though, I struggled to find a scene beyond the big clubs. I always got the impression space was locked down, prices too high for those who want to make things happen. Isn't Berlin's cultural progress due to the fact it is financially forgiving to precisely the type of people London prohibits? <br /><br />I did not meet many born and bred Londoners like yourself (and my family), just lots of professionals and those there for some other purpose beyond simply existing. I admit, perhaps I am being naive.<br /><br />A few years back the T Bar was a real breathe of fresh air, I did not care too much about the crowd (which had a nice blend then), I was just so impressed with the lack of cover charge, relatively cheap drinks and really good music. Corsica came about just after I left, but other than that decent venues seemed truly few and far between. In a city that big, what's going on? Perhaps it is up to people like yourself to use mediums such as this blog, to bring people in from the Techno wilderness, as Chris suggests is possible.<br /><br />(forgive the Polemic, I just wanted more from London)never really beganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919666571746723630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-32074288813738768982010-01-08T19:05:03.551+11:002010-01-08T19:05:03.551+11:00@ oliver: fair point about sparse-ness. our most h...@ oliver: fair point about sparse-ness. our most hits come from the US, but chances are they are spread out right across the country... but i think one of the points i was trying to make is that there are opportunities to overcome being stuck in the techno wilderness, and for me mnml ssgs has been a big vehicle for that. yes, i've travelled round a fair bit, but shit, i live 5 hours from london, in deep dark wales. there aint much techno there, i promise...<br /><br />and i've never ever thought about putting on a party until recently, but i think it is something i'd like to try doing and put on some parties with people i really believe in. still at the very early stages, but planning has commenced. of course, the ssgs will be the first to know.chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17030219185948353658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-19851489463789556692010-01-08T12:25:25.062+11:002010-01-08T12:25:25.062+11:00@chris: that is awesome! I hope I am in town when...@chris: that is awesome! I hope I am in town when it happens!CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09711609694586945936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-68125013640314153852010-01-08T11:52:57.895+11:002010-01-08T11:52:57.895+11:00@ oliver: re: sparseness. valid point, but i thin...@ oliver: re: sparseness. valid point, but i think you'd be surprised how many people read this blog and share the passion, without feeling a need to leave comments. as CT suggested, less than 100 peeps. we wouldnt be looking to fill Matter. <br /><br />anyway, it's the ssgs' party to throw not mine...but if this ever branched to london i would be more than willing to contribute time and money to making things work. be good to give something back.<br /><br />re: london. i think i will refrain from commenting on your criticism. i am london born and bred and as such my view is completely subjective. best city in the world ;-) (although to imply that underground movements do not flourish in london is a little naive. sorry i'm getting defensive already!)jonnyphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203131652411824960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-40485505683171368452010-01-08T11:13:55.924+11:002010-01-08T11:13:55.924+11:00I understand the need for balance, and agree. But...I understand the need for balance, and agree. But whilst reading the post I could not shake the feeling, that we are the minority, I don't think there is enough of us to ensure the right space. Have we forgotten the RA end year charts already? As such, I think we are always doomed to feel isolated and irritated. <br /><br />The post mentioned the fact that this site is frequented by people hailing from all over the world. Now obviously that's positive, but looked at differently you could say it indicates our sparseness; each one of us a lone voice in some backwater rut hole. If you guys decide to take your club night on tour, be sure to stop by Plymouth, I can guarantee the space you so long for for.<br /><br />@jonnyp. You mention London, and whilst I had many a good night their, I have to say I was deeply unimpressed by that city in the end. The biggest problem I found with London (beside the price), was the lack of loyalty to the city amongst the people. I think this has had quite a detrimental effect on clubs. I imagine, where a city or town has a strong identity and unity amongst it's people, underground movements and clubs will flourish.<br /><br />I agree with your thoughts on DJ's. I want no crowd panderers, I want my DJ's to be anonymous tyrants. I say anonymous referring to Todd's words about performers. Whilst performers are good, I hope GOOD techno and house remains distinct from other genres, by ensuring the focal point is the music not the person on stage.never really beganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919666571746723630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-82880081179885295772010-01-08T10:23:23.810+11:002010-01-08T10:23:23.810+11:00@ Feroce: it's definitely true what you say ab...@ Feroce: it's definitely true what you say about the tendency to romanticise 'the good old days'. Of course, there were plenty of lousy clubs back then too, which, to me, as an eighteen year old, didn't seem as glaringly lousy to me then as they would now.<br /><br />But nonetheless, if you look at the overall ten year trend, I would say that the momentum that came out of the rave scene and filled the clubs has exhausted most of its creative potential.<br /><br />The spaces with potential are almost anywhere else BUT the nightclub, for all the reasons ranted.<br /><br />@ jonny p: so, so true on the balance thing. I think that it's a matter of cultivating a certain scene by offering a kind of 'recognition' that, if received by numbers of people, takes hold. Ie, treat people like respected, respectful adults, and large numbers of them will interpolate accordingly, until you've built a scene on/by/for respectful adults.<br /><br />If you treat people like rude punters, they treat you back the same with interest (that, and those that aren't rude punters get browned off and don't come back, while the other rude punters who had a good, rude time, tell all their mates... etc... )<br /><br />Then there is the matter of 'Joe Public' - ssgs got a few emails when we closed the comments to unregistered users. Trouble was our gesture of openness was routinely being exploited by motherfucking trolls. With anon turned off, it's not like we don't get enough comments. We just get the quality people who want to engage (thank you all, always), and fewer trolls. Everyone's happy (except the trolls!)<br /><br />...the underside of this is: what happens to openness?<br /><br />But/and if you think of it in terms of hospitality, I could say that 'we' (the regular attendees) were both partygoers and hosts, and our hospitality was being abused... <br /><br />...so even on that level, whether I think of the blog as a kind of deterritorialised agora or a house or club of our own, this already changes things, no?<br /><br />In another context: you start a book club, an asshole joins it and derails the conversations. What do you do?PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828854682227101864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-60629937688078560162010-01-08T07:19:18.123+11:002010-01-08T07:19:18.123+11:002. Playing to the crowd
Off topic a bit but touch...2. Playing to the crowd<br /><br />Off topic a bit but touching on ‘Sherbs’ point about a dj’s duty to play to the crowd.<br /><br />I’ve been thinking about this a lot today. I would much prefer a dj to play what he/she wants to hear. For all those people coming up to you asking for a different record there could have been another person thinking, ‘hey this shit is great!’<br /><br />It reminds of Peter Hook’s book about the Hacienda, when he commented on resident dj Hewan Clarke playing soul and funk to a punk audience. I quote:<br /><br />“It was a musical policy encouraged by (Tony) Wilson; indeed, Clarke recalls Wilson telling him that black music was going to be the next commercial dance music, even as the newly opened Hacienda began to fill with curious punks & Goths, who were expecting a continuation of the Factory nights at the PSV. ‘Mohicans and everything’, remembers Clarke, who became paranoid when none of the punks would dance to the usual funky black tunes guaranteed to fill the floor at the Reno. ‘Tony would come into the box saying, “Wonderful, keep it up darling”, and I’m thinking, ‘but nobody’s dancing.’ They would though. Given time.”<br /><br />I have lots of respect for the approach that Tony Wilson employed (although admittedly it did play it’s part in the Hacienda being a complete financial fuck up!)<br /><br />Anyway, this post is far too long., soz.<br /><br />All the best ssgs. Really great to read the views of 4 people whose opinions I respect so much, all in one place.jonnyphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203131652411824960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-46861405572420987242010-01-08T07:18:49.222+11:002010-01-08T07:18:49.222+11:00What an interesting post. There is so much I would...What an interesting post. There is so much I would like to say I could write a small novel. I’m not very good with words though, so to touch on just a couple of points which will hopefully add something positive to the debate….. <br /><br />1. Space: balance<br /><br />From the perspective of a Londoner, for me the problem with the current club space is a lack of balance. It’s either full of people that don’t even know who’s playing (think T-Bar vs Scuba) or 95% male techno-heads who don’t appear to be enjoying themselves (think Corsica vs Some of the Best Acts in Techno) (for the record, I love Corsica and hugely appreciate the efforts of Plex and Bleep43 for bringing the goods to London). <br /><br />The balance has to be right: a good mix of heads and newbies, guys and girls, house & techno (& any other interesting new derivatives); not too many, not too few. A difficult combination I know, but we’re striving for utopia right?!<br /><br />I put on a party for mine and a friend’s birthday at a private venue on Brick Lane this year. It was so refreshing to have control over every little detail: location, sounds, numbers, vibe, people. I put it on in the day, which straight away made for something wholly more accessible. I’m getting to an age where some friends who are exactly the kind of people clubs need inside them are put off by the fact that they have to be out from 1am to 7am to see any decent acts.<br /> <br />My birthday party space was one of the best I’ve ever found because the mix was mine to make. But obviously everyone’s ideal mix is different, so in the public domain keeping everyone happy is obviously hard. <br /><br />Ultimately you can add all the key ingredients: sounds, venue, fair security, fair prices, but the one thing out of the control of nearly all promoters is the people. And as much as I hate THAT door policy, the selection of people is exactly why it works so well in my opinion; and also why I enjoyed my party so much.<br /><br />You can have the best dj on in the world, but put too many people in a room, and let too many twats in, and the night is over for me.<br /><br />The problem is that promoters in London cannot be selective, there simply isn’t the necessary demand for spaces in the clubs at underground techno nights in London, and as such the finances wouldn’t add up if turned punters away for not knowing who's playing.<br /><br />So what’s the solution? Well going back to throwing your own private party with invites only is something I think works pretty well. I’m not saying it has to be some exclusive shit, I’m no elitist. Just be nice to know that everyone there is likeminded and there for the same sound and sharing the same interests. If this online space could be reflected in the real world, you just know it would be a good experience. So that Mnml ssgs party in Tokyo...quality idea.jonnyphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203131652411824960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-76267262702353470372010-01-08T02:02:55.241+11:002010-01-08T02:02:55.241+11:00Although I can easily agree with the problems rais...Although I can easily agree with the problems raised here, I think it would be fair to consider some financial aspects as well. Like the sustainability of clubs, how to select a line-up (what this means in $$), and how to select your customers. I would say it is not easy. Don't misunderstand me, I am not saying that club owners or promoters or anything should be important aspects, but probably they have a slightly different views (I am not one of them). Crowded is not good, people who definitely are not there for the music are not good, finding the balance is the club's responsibility, but still.<br /><br />I guess, I would look into solutions that combine daytime art$culture activities with night-time - or even daytime clubbing, EVENT/APPROACH based...I mean, seriously, if somebody is good in this field, it is not hard to come up with a concept that unifies a photo exhibition and a particular DJ, and "sell it" as a concept-event. Or maybe I am completely off, and these events can suck big-time :)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14375850374722326451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-67446171388370082982010-01-08T00:09:19.139+11:002010-01-08T00:09:19.139+11:00@ feroce: i think people definitely suffer a bit f...@ feroce: i think people definitely suffer a bit from thinking 'it was so much better back in the day'. i dont know. perhaps. there were certain things you used to that you simply cant to do now. i am thinking especially of underground parties, warehouse parties, things like that. they are still possible, but not nearly as easy as they used to be.<br /><br />one thing that has really changed for me as i have gotten older and been to more and more parties is that i have become more particular about space. i cannot handle crowded clubs anymore. no way. it is awful. the second there are too many people on a dancefloor i start struggling these days.chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17030219185948353658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-39985031216391627482010-01-07T23:34:02.909+11:002010-01-07T23:34:02.909+11:00interesting reading, thxinteresting reading, thxfloating on thrill waveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04264457947723268977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-89287674082971923312010-01-07T23:28:15.599+11:002010-01-07T23:28:15.599+11:00Do you guys feel, since your older, that the clubs...Do you guys feel, since your older, that the clubs back then were better just because you were younger? I watched this segment on the on TV about how we always perceive our childhood as being the most amazing time of our lives just because it was a simpler time.<br /><br />If I was to answer the above I would say the music and club experiences back then were far superior, even though I did not attend. I mean, cmon' Jeff Mills @ Liquid Room 1995? Fugetaboutit!<br /><br />I'm 20 y/o and I've never had a bad experience clubbing, just have better than normal club experiences from time to time. I would never decline an invite to go to a club if there was a decent DJ playing. Even if it is music I really don't listen too I'll go just for the experience.<br /><br />It might be because I'm fairly new to the scene (started listening to techno around 2004/5) and everything feels and sounds fresh to me. That being said I do agree with most of what was said in the post.<br /><br />Oh, and a ssg party would be fucking amazing. Put a little Dozzy in there, mix it in with some Function, perhaps add a little Levon Vincent for the house touch and your set.panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07524299372487389626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-15626029379900423882010-01-07T21:08:08.636+11:002010-01-07T21:08:08.636+11:00great post by the way, and happy new year. Jgreat post by the way, and happy new year. JJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03779072649028078415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-48687299069919226722010-01-07T21:02:04.745+11:002010-01-07T21:02:04.745+11:00The best examples of it been done correctly in all...The best examples of it been done correctly in all my time clubbing are Corsica Studios in London (less so recently) and the Bunker in NY. The latter ticked all my boxes and blew my mind.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03779072649028078415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-53379387144498316032010-01-07T18:31:27.194+11:002010-01-07T18:31:27.194+11:00@ CT: beginning to plan the first ssg party, which...@ CT: beginning to plan the first ssg party, which will be in tokyo later this year...chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17030219185948353658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-84238209862614491762010-01-07T14:26:26.798+11:002010-01-07T14:26:26.798+11:00If you feel like there aren't good spaces for ...If you feel like there aren't good spaces for parties in places like Tokyo (I didn't know colors closed now too, that sucks) and would like earlier events (yes, i know, two comments from different people) why not take a page out of some of the other music scenes and throw d.i.y. events yourself. Have a ssg party (haha) at some small club or studio on sunday afternoon or evening where you only need 30-50 people to break even. I'm sure if you promoted it on here among other places you could get a good group of people who will all be into the tunes. Get locals to dj and have the goal of using any money made to save up enough to bring someone over. <br />Looking forward to the next 3 sections!CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09711609694586945936noreply@blogger.com