tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post5580487928969519787..comments2023-09-25T22:26:25.692+10:00Comments on mnml ssgs: RE: Re-presenting representing music [how one TF felt about how PC feels right now]chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17030219185948353658noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-89911287261831153832009-09-04T09:28:03.258+10:002009-09-04T09:28:03.258+10:00@ Bootsy:
1) I am a jaded fart, it's true, bu...@ Bootsy:<br /><br />1) I am a jaded fart, it's true, but nonetheless I have and do make the claim that electronic music needs to invent some new contexts for itself: it's been nesting in the ambivalent land of the nightclub, which, for me, is a space of hedonism, not music. A drug scene that listens to music, mre than a music scene that does drugs.<br /><br />In the case of Melbourne, it's true, there are fewer venues than ever and most events have been totally overwhelmed and, in my view, undermined, by big box corporate raving events... <br /><br />...last night I went and saw a jam band, and it was fully improv and totally loose, interesting, risky and fun. The overhwelming majority of groove-based electronic music, in terms of presentation, is incredibly safe, boring, conservative right now.<br /><br />...this in contrast to the production, distribution and discussion of electronic music, which I personally see as incredibly fertile, lively and full of interesting directions and possibilities.<br /><br />2) I'd be concerned about getting nostalgic about record stores: some of them were good, but most of them were expensive, unfriendly, and didn't have what you want. Living in Tokyo was a revelation in this regard, but even there, vinyl-based specialist stores are declining. <br /><br />~ to unite these two general trends, Melbourne's HearNow has just<br />closed, and so is F4 (this weekend!), two of the very, very few record stores and clubs (respectively) left that were part of the old 90s assembly.... it remains to be scene what the kids build... I for one would like to see something totally new, unexpected and suprising.... ~<br /><br />I'll wager that as the fetish/collector's vinyl market replaces the market created by DJs who HAD to use vinyl in order simply to be a DJ, new stores and ways of listening will emerge. But it's gonna be small... but is that necessarily a bad thing? There was a lot of bad vinyl, a lot of shitty record stores, a lot of shitty, expensive parties (remember the glossy fliers?).. the '99 era was just as problematic.<br /><br />For me, I'd like to see a turn to more occasional festivals like Labyrinth... I feel like the possibilities of the week-in, week-out club fixture have been exhausted for the time being, and the international-appears-at-a-medium-size-venue model likewise is getting really, really tired.<br /><br />But: wouldn't it be nice if so many of these quality SSG connections could be re-territorialised here and there by more Labyrinths?<br /><br />And wouldn't it be nice if there was a small, nutritious store/venue/party thang around?<br /><br />And wouldn't it be nice if creative people could 'get paid to do the wild thing'?<br /><br />...in the mean time, we live in interesting times, as the Chinese curse would have it....PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828854682227101864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-6310283054274800992009-09-03T13:37:05.676+10:002009-09-03T13:37:05.676+10:00Nice to get a sociological approach, so thanks for...Nice to get a sociological approach, so thanks for this, Terrence. Bootsy's point here: <br />"... comments, even twatty ones, are a kind of vital middle ground between critical discussion and club consumption" is also a most valid one.<br />I would only add that the very vastness of this shallow "datasea" we all float upon creates a sense of isolation in ourselves and with it the desire to reach out and play a part/be involved - thus the habit of 'commenting' on whatever information is happened upon, basically as a need to 'connect'.FriendlyFoehttp://www.tightssoxandknickers.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-78089083818332390242009-09-03T01:57:40.732+10:002009-09-03T01:57:40.732+10:00Nice 'Boring review" comment on today'...Nice 'Boring review" comment on today's RAview of South West Four. Oh man, what an asshole!<br /><br />@ Jason Rule.. I think LWE's BBH column is a really nice move in that direction, even though it's more geared towards outright classics than 1 - 2 year old music.<br /><br /><br />As far as your frustration, Peter, I wonder if quite a large problem isn't to do with place, more than anything. Only a few cities seem now to incubate much of a dance music scene at all, which perhaps was once different. Moreover, those places themselves have dwindling record shops, and very very few clubs at all conducive to conversation. For this reason, the places to be involved in dance music now are only about two, I would think: Berlin and the internet.<br /><br />For me, I wouldn't want the kind of intelligent criticism you produce [Peter, Terrence] to be the only writing there. For me, RA comments, even twatty ones, are a kind of vital middle ground between critical discussion and club consumption. If we couldn't have easy, every day discussion (of a sort) on places like RA, I would get none at all, outside of abortive conversations with staff in London record shops and that occasional lovely, clued-up chat in club smoking areas. <br /><br />That wouldn't be enough for me and I don't think it would be healthy for creativity generally, because of what I view as another important role for online reviews. Most record shops have specialised taste, and DJ charts reflect the niche styles that DJs play, an economic considerations of what's coming out on their/friends' label. For this reason, the descriptive preview' function of reviews is important. It turns people on to good music coming from places that they wouldn't have looked for it, no matter how easy it may be to find once you do.<br /><br />Even those comments that ignore the critical discussion are still a very good gauge of how effective a reviewer is in warning people towards or away from one cul-de-sac in the happy, vaguely suburban community that is electronic music!Bootsy Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09179446560356313287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-63128602079586093682009-09-01T20:59:53.788+10:002009-09-01T20:59:53.788+10:00A fantastic rebuttal, hopefully I'll be able t...A fantastic rebuttal, hopefully I'll be able to find some timew away from work too make a worthwhile contribution to this debate.Cliffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10231699216435964072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-1335360523501142362009-09-01T14:56:57.526+10:002009-09-01T14:56:57.526+10:00interesting ideas. this series of posts has reall...interesting ideas. this series of posts has really got me thinking. although this website is SOOO march 2009 :Ppafufta816https://www.blogger.com/profile/14946382715164657516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-72275904070623985212009-09-01T13:07:44.044+10:002009-09-01T13:07:44.044+10:00I think an interesting concept would be to review ...I think an interesting concept would be to review tracks 3, 6, 12, even 24 months after its release, and discuss it's relevance, hype, popularity, and what effect it has now in the clubs/at home/to DJs.Jason Rulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16028387267352427943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-44245201221371760912009-09-01T00:43:38.589+10:002009-09-01T00:43:38.589+10:00Totally agree with "more late reviews". ...Totally agree with "more late reviews". Somehow, I have a hunch (or is it a wish?) that tail is gonna get longer even for the dance music genres.<br />Reviewing the review is a natural thing if you think that comment boxes have any purpose? I know, its a matter of style and offenses taken, but I personally don't read one line comments.mario_mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06924988099936172801noreply@blogger.com