tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post2993465320166495408..comments2023-09-25T22:26:25.692+10:00Comments on mnml ssgs: Is that a Tardis in your pocket (or do you prefer complacent house music)?chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17030219185948353658noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-52642321520451371352012-02-09T23:35:04.628+11:002012-02-09T23:35:04.628+11:00@ wormsie: they will never lose it 'forever...@ wormsie: they will never lose it 'forever' if they're not timeless…<br /><br />@ skillet: you were right to notice aGCG is boring… *ahem*… but what you say about evolution is far more poetic than I could…<br /><br />@ noel: 'house has never been modern' - please say more!<br /><br />@ fluxes: sadly, recent Lawrence interview on LWE points in the same direction: comfort:PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828854682227101864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-55889187045553601072012-01-31T15:14:10.569+11:002012-01-31T15:14:10.569+11:00Not sure how i feel about the "Timeless"...Not sure how i feel about the "Timeless" cd either... There are definitely some nice gems there like the Chez/Ron/Stacy and the Schatrax tunes, which both date well before 2000s, so he's got some nice references to past... I don't think this cd really represents him as a dj, but more of him making a cd to educate and show his influences maybe. I mean can you really make a 74 min cd nowadays and say this is how i am as a dj... Hear Lawrence do a 2+ hr set and you'll see his real interpretation of deep house...<br /><br />Btw, with all this talk of Dial/Smallville/Cocoon, what about some love for Laid!Fluxeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02872080388388742403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-50240289768539086962012-01-29T10:18:21.591+11:002012-01-29T10:18:21.591+11:00the thing is electro comes wrapped in the tone of ...the thing is electro comes wrapped in the tone of futurist machine music, while house has never been modernnoelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099372953505213265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-65596498890613787382012-01-28T11:25:48.277+11:002012-01-28T11:25:48.277+11:00@Skillet - Very nice thoughts. And surely that...@Skillet - Very nice thoughts. And surely that's what a good DJ or producer is able to do: drag old ideas out of complacent surroundings, revitalize them or perhaps even reveal something hitherto unheard.<br /><br />The path of complacency is a sad ritual, one as old and as inevitable as the other, which seeks to consume and chew some life out of the prey of complacency. Who can blame these folk for wanting to make something timeless, it's a pretty ugly process.never really beganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919666571746723630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-33071237386840111382012-01-27T15:35:38.945+11:002012-01-27T15:35:38.945+11:00this reminds me of my reaction to A Guy Called Ger...this reminds me of my reaction to A Guy Called Gerald's Proto Acid album. I want to like it because it's so well produced and there is, despite all the confusion and desire for new styles, something comforting about those kinds of rhythms - but I can't help noticing it's boring. I feel like it's the product of live performances to audiences who are unquestioningly down with the program. I think this happens with any kind of music over time, if you become aware of it while it's risky and while it's still pushing things. More people get into it, the music feels complacent, it's harder to figure out what was worthwhile about it. Reminds me of a metaphor for life in a book about evolution, it's staying on the edge of a wave between chaos and stillness, but that wave is always moving as life evolves and interacts with itself.Skillethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04728069881474802329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-87178468139284561562012-01-26T08:18:08.420+11:002012-01-26T08:18:08.420+11:00It sounds as if you have never ever before encount...It sounds as if you have never ever before encountered an artist who has, at some point, created music you don't like. I'm like that with all bands/DJs/musicians, but I don't think that after one or two failed attempts they have definitely lost it forever and will never listen to them again.Wormsiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895196880184910650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-24422522157614801172012-01-25T18:09:10.251+11:002012-01-25T18:09:10.251+11:00viceviceChris and Viviennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11302359399677102191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-69392635277324800122012-01-25T18:07:26.247+11:002012-01-25T18:07:26.247+11:00PC, your opening photo calls to mind
Jenny Watson ...PC, your opening photo calls to mind<br />Jenny Watson http://artsearch.nga.gov.au/Detail-LRG.cfm?View=LRG&IRN=93669<br />and <br />Howard Arkley <br />http://arkleyworks.com/?p=5845 <br /><br />plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose<br />or vica versaChris and Viviennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11302359399677102191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-14539379915556355902012-01-25T07:55:21.450+11:002012-01-25T07:55:21.450+11:00@ always: have a close listen to Maus. Start with ...@ always: have a close listen to Maus. Start with that track I embedded. He… doesn't really sound like OMD to me, on close listen...<br /><br />@ Wouter: that is hilarious… oh the irony…<br /><br />@ Alex: well, we are pushing because, I guess, we are modernists at heart, and have this notion of progress and continual transformation through technology. I mean, that's what's at the heart of techno. The tension is house/techno, because the former is much more on an emotional spectrum, whether historically through its roots in soul and gospel, or just because of its injunction to celebrate, get down, be deep, jack your body, or whatever (I mean, obviously Larry Heard is a long way from screamin' diva handbag). I like the tension. And I don't think everyone should be Innovating the whole time, that would also be tiresome.<br /><br />I guess, as you rightly point out, it's a relation to impermanence. Time. This is the crux of my post. I think we should note it and live with it, in relation to it. Give up the pretence of timelessness. <br /><br />@netlabel: I would love, love, love to hear Lawrence do a black metal mix. Maybe ssgs should ask him? Though it's not surprising when you listen to the early catalogue…PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828854682227101864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-56463863402626079542012-01-25T01:43:49.279+11:002012-01-25T01:43:49.279+11:00Did you know the Dial Boys are deeply into Black M...Did you know the Dial Boys are deeply into Black Metal?Mariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15965030748533705904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-68181347280397671512012-01-24T19:51:13.553+11:002012-01-24T19:51:13.553+11:00I've never bitten my tongue in a comment secti...I've never bitten my tongue in a comment section so much as this placeTodd Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14305280542237392907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-24588927299703527762012-01-24T19:50:22.662+11:002012-01-24T19:50:22.662+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Todd Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14305280542237392907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-70257245913652920422012-01-24T19:12:11.468+11:002012-01-24T19:12:11.468+11:00@PC: I hope I didn't come across as if I think...@PC: I hope I didn't come across as if I think context has no place in our appreciation of art--quite to the contrary. You'd be wrong to ignore the circumstances of a piece's creation. <br /><br />In general, however, I find the constant push for innovation in the electronic music community to be rather dubious. Certainly, no forward motion at all leads to stagnation which is painful to witness. But the constant search for "hot" up-to-the-minute sounds strikes me as pure trend-seeking, which I despise--if it's good, it's good, and that has nothing (or rather, not a whole lot) to do with whether or not club-goers are raving about it. Even worse, innovation has become commodified--beatport's constant exultations of "cutting edge" are often just marketing. Admittedly, part of the reason I got into this scene is because I saw it as the most forward thinking genre out there. But surely the community exaggerates the "avant-gardeness" of many realeases. <br /><br />My post was mostly a result of this innate suspicion of the push for innovation. Perhaps this arises out of a deeper fear of impermanence. When people look back at this music 50 years from now, what (who?) will they remember? Does dance music have "geniuses" the way classical music does? This concern is likely heightened for me personally since I come from a background in (as you might have guessed) classical music.<br /><br />Obviously I don't think mnml ssgs is a blog that tries to be fashionable. As you said, you don't need to push much--for me, this can simply take the form of a producer stamping his own voice on a style. The more distinctive that voice the better! I'm not sure that is quite the same thing as "pushing forward" or "innovation." I guess we're (i'm) getting into rather pointless semantics here.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14268066605889944456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-43052348591718689472012-01-24T18:30:47.168+11:002012-01-24T18:30:47.168+11:00Funny... indeed, Timeless was not anything new, bu...Funny... indeed, Timeless was not anything new, but IMO Lawrence is one of the few deep house dj's that does dare to push the envelope both in his productions and DJ sets. I've seen him open his set on a big festival last year with John Maus 'Cop Killer'...hope you appreciate the irony.Wouterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10743904680520832941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-53676749463098756672012-01-24T13:14:08.505+11:002012-01-24T13:14:08.505+11:00maybe not this track, but john maus sounds a lot l...maybe not this track, but john maus sounds a lot like OMD to me... <br /><br />in any case, i wrote suspiciously about the concept of "timelessness" in an LWE review a couple years ago. a question of reeanimation vs reification, in hal foster's words. <br /><br />something else has been irking me of late. i see contemporary producers universally describing their music as 'honest' in almost every interview i read. there's little to suggest honesty means something beyond stylistic preference and loyalty. i wish someone would follow up on this point in an interview.<br /><br />my hunch is we treat past music as inspiration and not as precedent; we therefore can't formulate any new theses or propose antitheses to the old set of solutions.alwaiz al reddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870594826598659993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-79494209143912390232012-01-24T13:13:04.435+11:002012-01-24T13:13:04.435+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.alwaiz al reddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870594826598659993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-57190342557136267692012-01-24T10:08:28.761+11:002012-01-24T10:08:28.761+11:00@ Frequencies: I just mean that I was a big, big, ...@ Frequencies: I just mean that I was a big, big, big Lawrence/Dial fanboy, and it seems - to me - that he/they have abandoned what was truly interesting and searching - 'pushing' - about their sound, in favour of, well, Timelessness. And this has been pretty traumatic for me; hence the need to talk it out for several years. But it's okay, I was joking, I'm really okay, honestly.<br /><br />@ the Tom: no irony.PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828854682227101864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-10180709956373816852012-01-24T05:02:27.935+11:002012-01-24T05:02:27.935+11:00@Luke
I don't know.@Luke<br /><br />I don't know.never really beganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919666571746723630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-52491929942845819092012-01-24T02:59:38.376+11:002012-01-24T02:59:38.376+11:00@never really began
What is an active/virtual DJ...@never really began <br /><br />What is an active/virtual DJ?Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04546332855449975707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-52241698274691605882012-01-24T01:11:23.437+11:002012-01-24T01:11:23.437+11:00@TheTom - Nonsense, there is nothing in the 80s th...@TheTom - Nonsense, there is nothing in the 80s that sounds like Maus; such a sadly superficial appreciation of his work.<br /><br />I do think the point that rises by comparing the Finn Johannsen mix to Timeless is an interesting and valuable one. There is obviously a difference between the two: in their creation, purpose, attitude and whatever.(I don't think we need to be too pedantic either). To solely point to such things as track lists, genre/form, style, seems to me to be a deficient appreciation.(TheTom's enjoyment of Maus seems demonstrate this).<br /><br />Timeless really isn't an example of what an active/vital DJ does or strives to do. Perhaps it's a little unfair to consider it as such.never really beganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08919666571746723630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-78608560894508267552012-01-24T00:25:56.295+11:002012-01-24T00:25:56.295+11:00Chuckled a little when I saw the new RA mix taglin...Chuckled a little when I saw the new RA mix taglined as “timeless house and disco”. Didn't have a chance to listen to it and decide whether it's plagued by the same problem you're describing though.idiosynkratischhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07151204226000233393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-27955455305551382382012-01-24T00:10:22.213+11:002012-01-24T00:10:22.213+11:00Is it meant to be ironic that you ended this post ...Is it meant to be ironic that you ended this post with a John Maus track? If anything...it made the article seem somewhat hypecrytical by ending with someone who seems to draw from nothing but 80s synth music. And he hasn't "culminated" in a sound like the Jonsson/Alter album, just stolen.TheTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02844764140375635100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-22836858869403776612012-01-23T22:12:33.018+11:002012-01-23T22:12:33.018+11:00PC I don't understand the point you're try...PC I don't understand the point you're trying to make regarding psychotherapy.frequencieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13210902228578917743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-51026266868156951062012-01-23T22:06:46.218+11:002012-01-23T22:06:46.218+11:00@ Frequencies: maybe I just need psychotherapy to ...@ Frequencies: maybe I just need psychotherapy to deal with being jilted by Lawrence then ;), all those years ago?PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828854682227101864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220957931635097123.post-20836785147916579502012-01-23T21:42:36.177+11:002012-01-23T21:42:36.177+11:00PC, there mightn't be too many mixes like Finn...PC, there mightn't be too many mixes like Finn's floating about, but they have been done many, many times before - listen to old dave clarke electro mixes, mixes from godfather.<br /><br />so finn's mix is the same old same old in as much as lawrence's mix is the same old same old. there just happens to be more deep house mixes floating about at the moment, so the context within which 'timeless' and the LWE podcast appear is one that is deep house-friendly.<br /><br />if you were to post finn's mix in say 2003 or 2004, it would be exactly the same thing, a wealth of underground mixes - and at the time, many of them commercially available as mix cds - doing the rounds.<br /><br />so it all has to do with context and the cyclical nature of music, be it electronic or not.<br /><br />I listened to both mixes and enjoyed them both thoroughly, but i accept them both at face value and didn't really expect much else from them bar classic underground electro or deep house.<br /><br /><br />thanksfrequencieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13210902228578917743noreply@blogger.com